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December 2005, 16 posts, 328 lines

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Bad at Sports Art Review, Episode 14: Review-o-rama!

(We are working hard to be the best damn art review podcast done by a Canadian and an unemployed sculptor/lawyer anywhere in the city of Chicago. We will rise up and crush the competition, we will destroy you all, no mercy, HA HA HA HAaaaaaaaa!!!!)

THIS WEEK:

Reviews, reviews, reviews!!! Our London correspondents Ben Tanner and Christian Kuras make their fabulous debut and review the UK version of Universal Experience: Art, Life, and the Tourist s Eye, which began its life on this earth at our very own MCA. Brian Andrews, our West Coast rep, is back to tell us what is wrong with the art scene in San Francisco. Duncan and Richard review On the Scene: Jessica Rowe, Jason Salavon, Brian Ulrich, and then they check out The Museum of Contemporary Photography s new shows Jeffrey A. Wolin: Inconvenient Stories and Stages of Memory: The War in Vietnam. And if THAT weren t enough, Duncan and Richard argue about whether or not Rodney Graham is full of BS after sitting through his lecture. The last song in this week s show goes out from Richard to Scott Speh.

NEXT WEEK:

We lied last week. THIS COMING WEEK, we will chat with our West Coast correspondent Brian Andrews and Britton Bertran from Gallery 40000. We ll do some other stuff too who knows! Soon our New York City reporter, the lovely and talented Cassie Thornton, will check in with her first report, maybe next week.

REAL SOON:

Duncan and Richard save the holidays! We have put together a wacky collection of funny and non-funny holiday songs. Hate the holidays? I know I do, so we ll make sure you are filled with the milk of human kindness by these jolly little ditties. Also we would like to throw out an open call to anyone who has funny Hanukah and/or Kwanza songs. Let us know--there is a serious lack of said genre of songs, and we d love to give equal time.

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There was an interesting thread of conversation on OtherGroup on "going too far" that got dropped a ways back. I for one thought it was a topic that was just getting started when it faded away.

Perhaps the article, State of the Art, in the NYTimes this weekend would be a good jumping off point to bring that conversation back around. Any thoughts?

[http://www.nytimes.com/2005/12/11/books/review/11gewen.html] ?pagewanted=1

Erik

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Okay, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Chris Burden's most famous piece, Shoot, or whatever it was called, pure myth, wasn't the guy who pulled the trigger supposed to graze him and missed because he was a lousy shot? Isn't the myth making around that one total crap?

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rholland: "Okay, correct me if I'm wrong but wasn't Chris Burden's most famous piece, Shoot, or whatever it was called, pure myth, wasn't the guy who pulled the trigger supposed to graze him and missed because he was a lousy shot? Isn't the myth making around that one total crap?"

Um, well what do you mean by crap? The guy was supposed to graze Burden, not hit him full on, but it isn't as if that makes it much less of a gesture. Whether grazed or not, there is an unpredictability in being shot at. Burden still expected to get hit and bleed. And Burden did nail himself to a beetle, threaten himself with dangerous levels of electrical currents, lay in a canvas bag in the middle of the highway, and on and on. Cherished or not, I think he deserves the praise, or blame, catcalls, or myth or whatever else someone calls it. Risk is risk, and he took it on himself.

erikfabian: "Perhaps the article, State of the Art, in the NYTimes this weekend would be a good jumping off point to bring that conversation back around. Any thoughts?"

Well, my less sincere response, is it is another case of NYTimes media looking at its navel and being shocked, amassed and pleased. The article was pretty bland, self-important, and as always doesn't mention that no one (except 60 Minutes and maybe a few think tanks) has cared what Hilton Kramer thinks about art, because he is a crackpot curmudgeon, in twenty years. And Elkins, who couldn't find a museum of contemporary art if it was down the street from him, doesn't interest me much as a savior, nor even judge, of criticism. (not to mention that he damns the mainstream trade publications of contemporary art criticism, then only engages that world for invitees on his panels.)

But I guess I can't get too worked up about discussions of going to far. The limits are pretty clear, you don't kill somebody, you don't maim them without their permission, torturing animals is distasteful and punishable--but some dig it, taxidermy still seems acceptable with some grumbling, every once in a while someone is allowed to have fun wih a corpse. pretty much every other tactic has become if not across-the-board acceptable, at least presented or called attention to as an engageable gesture. After Burden, John Duncan and Orlan, not to mention those wacky Viennese, we have the limits set in place. And as with any industry, in art if you have enough money (Nitsch, I'm looking your way) you can do what you damn well please.

anthony

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Back once again, for another Bad at Sports art review podcast! I have a headache and my heat was once again out for part of the weekend, so, this press release will be 55% less clever than usual.

THIS WEEK:

Britton Bertran (head honcho at 40000) and Brian Andrews (mean listener, etc.) talk to Duncan and Richard about Brian's new show. Britton throws down the gauntlet to the world at large, proclaiming that he is in Chicago to stay. Brian talks about being delighted to be back in Chicago to trudge through 6 inches of gray slush.

Reviews! Duncan, Richard, and Amanda Browder review Michelle Faust at 65 Grand, The Promised Land show at Wendy Cooper including Dan Attoe, Tim Barber, Chris Dorland, Kim Krans, Jin Lee, Sabine Linse, Shona Macdonald, Nancy Mladenoff, AND the OODA Group, AND, if that weren't enough we review new work from Melissa Pokorny and Paul Nudd at Bodybuilder and Sportsman

And we name drop: the West Town Gallery Network, NOVA, Michael Workman, Paul Klein, Bill Gross, Nevin Tomlinson, Thomas Blackman, Thomas Kincaid, and our pal David Michael Coyle.

NEXT WEEK:

Duncan and Richard save the holidays! We have put together a wacky collection of funny and non-funny holiday songs. Hate the holidays? I know I do, so we'll make sure you are filled with the milk of human kindness by these jolly little ditties.

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Ok, I'm beginning to believe that these don't belong on othergroup. At bottom, they are adverts for the show. Others aren't allowed adverts. Notices like this are what chicagoart.net is for.

My two cents on a long past topic.

Lorelei

On Dec 11, 2005, at 9:52 PM, Richard Holland wrote:

Lorelei Stewart Director, Gallery 400

College of Architecture and the Arts University of Illinois at Chicago 1240 West Harrison Street (MC 034) Chicago, IL 60607

312-996-6114 tel 312-355-3444 fax [http://gallery400.aa.uic.edu]

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Holy guacamole, I thought this was all hashed out.

As we are reviewing shows put on by list members, like those at Gallery 400, plugging shows and artists and letting people in the community contribute etc. I figured the othergroup list would be interested.

In terms of advertising, I agree, we are promoting a project we make, but we make no money from the show, nor will we ever, we sell no product, and aren't plugging our gallery shows, it is purely a pro-community resource. We have no interest in raising the hackles of the masses if there is a collective notion that these notice are not wanted here I'll gladly stop posting them freeing up the inboxes of the afflicted. Just trying to keep people informed, not trying to be a problem.

Let us know,

Richard

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I thought othergroup was for discussion. Non-commercial galleries could make the same argument you are making below--we as a group, say Gallery 400, the Hyde Park Art Center, Mess Hall, Three Walls etc... -- are not making money. Our exhibitions are a pro-community resource.

I don't have anything against Bad at Sports. I just think that if othergroup is basically ads for your weekly shows, what's the use?

Lorelei

On Dec 12, 2005, at 6:05 PM, Richard Holland wrote:

Lorelei Stewart Director, Gallery 400

College of Architecture and the Arts University of Illinois at Chicago 1240 West Harrison Street (MC 034) Chicago, IL 60607

312-996-6114 tel 312-355-3444 fax [http://gallery400.aa.uic.edu]

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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, Lorelei Stewart wrote:

The response has been to have active posters unsubscribe over the last two months, even if they were mentioned in a BS plug, or maybe because of.

I was going to say something about that.. off-line of course.

/jno

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Okay, I will cease posting it.

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"I was going to say something about that.. off-line of course."

Keep up the work on your grace, you're moving in the right direction, albeit slowly.

If anyone out there does not wish to be reviewed please let us know (just e- mail badatsports at gmail.com)! We'd happily devote the "airtime" to someone interested in promoting their work or their space.

I suspect Jno was just being pithy, but we certainly don't want to give press to someone who doesn't want it. My apologize for bothering those on this list who didn't want to see our weekly e-mail, I assure you it was not our intention to cause anyone aggravation.

Richard

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You guys ought to set up your own mailing list for these. Or would something like that be the province of the yet-to-be-named, unpaid Bad at Sports intern?

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On Tue, 13 Dec 2005, rholland wrote:

LOL :)

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We have a separate mailing list of people we've had personal contact with, but as we are utterly grass roots we are trying to get the word out however we can. Yeah, the intern, the one we had lined up didn't like our benefit package.

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what was the benifit package? Free bad at sports archive?

couldn't help it

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stephenlacy at academyrecords.org wrote:

And beer.