October 2003 35 posts, 882 lines
I look to the other group for wisdom.
I am sitting here with my printed out .pdf of the Pilsen Open House this weekend. There are lots of listings.
I am a conceptual artist who likes it weird and peppy, and I have, maybe 4 hours total to explore. Maybe as little as two. I'm also into bookmaking, paper arts, work with text. This is starting to sound like a personal ad in the Reader.
If you could all see just a couple things, what would you go see, and why does it appeal?
Thank you in advance, Kathryn
diamondlifecafe.com
Also, I am starting to run out of space on the call for artists for the One Line Collective Exhibit. So if it sounds interesting to you, please let me know soon. See the above site for more info. K
Odd place to look for wisdom.
But, if you "likes it weird and peppy", there's a Lamprey-sponsored thing at the Whale.
The Pilsen Art Walk is a Podamajersky real estate promotion. The Lamprey thing is part of a counter-effort.
Ha ha.
Ok. I will check out Whale. Do the Lamprey still meet on Sunday nights?
The hell with the Pod's. I used to perform with Blue Rider and at some point (1998) they tried to take over as the artistic directors. It was bad.
Thank you, K
(I won't even credit the band because people will make fun of me)
In a message dated 9/29/2003 4:00:13 PM Central Daylight Time, marcf at corecomm.net writes:
so did I !
and, ofcourse, it is always helpful to be able to put the work into a broader context, either by being familiar with the artists larger body of work, not simply one piece, or if there is an accompanying text, written by either the artsit, the gallery, or third party consultant/curator/critic. However, taken as is, I simply percieved the formal decisions I was presented with and deduced, what I feel to be the only conclusions I could.
Ben
Garbage strike - I like it.
I'm not sure how I feel about some guy driving through allies making more money than a schoolteacher, but trash is important. If folks occasionally have to wallow through their garbage, they may learn to make less of it. And, especially since it is Oct 1 moving season, the scavenging is good.
RPGs
Reports of soldiers being killed by RPGs. I know the invasion is one big role-playing game to dubya, but I never expected the news to be so unintentionally poetic.
bulka
I admit I haven't been getting out much lately, but saw a couple of good things tonight.
Of course, not the smarty stuff that I'm so tired of until someone actually does something smart.
Some pretty cool crafty cardboard busts at Bodybuilder (along with some smarty dots with pop-music reference bad things).
And at Aaron Packer, very patterny fantasy paintings, with more crafty, inlaid busts. The paintings and the wood all all really one thing.
Until somebody has a really great idea to point to, I'm only interested in things that only point to something that I can get out of what I'm looking at now.
So, what are you dong about Halloween?
bulka
The Garbage strike has to be one of the most visually effective protests in memory. Mine still hasn't been picked up and I live above a bar/restaurant so the mountains are really becoming something to see/smell. I have to admit that I've been trying to take some extra detours through alleys lately - not so much to scavenge (though there sure is lots of nice furniture) - as to take in what all of this looks like. This should be a good lesson for people to consume less and I hope that the scrap metal and can pickers are making a bundle on this.
In the meantime, the alleys remain more interesting than galleries. This Friday, throw a bottle of cheap wine in a brown paper bag, grab a flash light, call your friends, and go for an alley walk. It might be years before such an exhibition happens again. It is something worth having a look at.
Marc
bulka wrote: Garbage strike - I like it.
I'm not sure how I feel about some guy driving through allies making more money than a schoolteacher, but trash is important. If folks occasionally have to wallow through their garbage, they may learn to make less of it. And, especially since it is Oct 1 moving season, the scavenging is good.
Hi group;
I am now really wondering. People at Ace sent me to Target. And Target has lots of CI pots - although they are all 'unfinished' -- that is, the inside has not been ground or milled. It is just raw cast iron - with the texture of the sand used in the mold, that is, the same as on the outside.
I was not looking for enameled pots - they heat nice, but stuff burns on to them. I was not looking for teflon coated pots - I dont wanna use a wood or plastic scraper. I want to use a metal spatula to scrape pots clean, and a greeney also. And there are 'anodized' aluminum pots, but the anodizing is on the outside, so the inside still leaches Al into yr food.
But there were lots of 'unfinished' CI pots. Even in sets of three. So I am wondering: Will those work? I picked up a 10" short rimmed tortilla pan, just to try it. Claudia George tells me I need Crisco, solid vegetable stuff - not lard, or olive oil, or butter - to season it.
What do you all use? All my other CI pots are 30 to 100 years old, and have ground insides. I scrape the hell out of them with metal objects if things burn. But most of the time they clean up after a few seconds of hot water and a wipe with a paper towel. And they are ready to use after 3 or 4 seconds on a burner, and a wipe with butter.
I have spent 4 afternoons over the last few weeks looking for the old type of pan. In Salvation Army stores, resale shops, department stores.
I will experiment with this new one. Is this the new style? Will it work as well? I read some directions on the packaging of various pots. The seasoning is still the same operation. But there are hints about the pots turning black after repeated use (and it being 'OK'). Mine are all shiny.
So what is up with the 'new' unfinished pans?
/jno "a kitchen neophyte"
jno - ask the folks at the newsgroup rec.food.cooking
I used to be a regular there, but haven't been recently. This is just the kind of question that will get you more answers and arguement than you need.
RFC is a lot like othergroup, but much busier. Mostly too intricate discussion of esoterica, with frequent OT wanderings. They may even have a searchable archive.
bulka
OG-- With all this new found interest in garbage maybe you should give it the full art treatment!?!?!?
Have Marc find the most aestheticly pleasing alley/pile-up and make cards for a "showing", put it in the Reader and artnet, spaces.org. A nice outdoor reception. Oh I forgot, it's a little colder there than out here on the coast. Well, the temperature would keep the beer cold, and maybe ya'll could get a few trash can fires going for heat (and authenticity!).
Don't miss the opportunity! It sounds like the hooplaaa that came up last summer when Spiral Jetty came back above the surface due to a draught.
Pilsen alleys might be the most obvious choice for some really loaded alleys, but don't discount Rogers Park (maybe too far away), the Indian neighborhood on Devon (just imagaine!), and/orHumboldt Park around California/Sacramento and Augusta. This could be a way to really get to see what a neighborhood consumes.
Better still, do a Real Art thing and go pick up loads full of the trash and recontextualize in a gallery! Just bring it in a and pile it, or recreate the natural setting. Whether or not to frame the exhibition with socially respnsible literature about workers rights and the social structure of garbage collectors would be up to the curator(s).
I'll bet they would do it in New York...
LC Pants
On Tue, 14 Oct 2003, bulka wrote:
Problem is I dont have a readily available newsfeed. And to start nn up at Blight will take .. never mind, I'll just try it.
Actually I tried a Google feed for the UseNet - 4200 posts later, I am no wiser. I prolly doent have the right search phrase "what is with the unshiny surface of new pans?"
Art talk is easier.
-/jno
OG-- With all this new found interest in garbage maybe you should give it the full art treatment!?!?!?
Have Marc find the most aestheticly pleasing alley/pile-up and make cards for a "showing", put it in the Reader and artnet, spaces.org. A nice outdoor reception. Oh I forgot, it's a little colder there than out here on the coast. Well, the temperature would keep the beer cold, and maybe ya'll could get a few trash can fires going for heat (and authenticity!).
Don't miss the opportunity! It sounds like the hooplaaa that came up last summer when Spiral Jetty came back above the surface due to a draught.
Pilsen alleys might be the most obvious choice for some really loaded alleys, but don't discount Rogers Park (maybe too far away), the Indian neighborhood on Devon (just imagaine!), and/orHumboldt Park around California/Sacramento and Augusta. This could be a way to really get to see what a neighborhood consumes.
Better still, do a Real Art thing and go pick up loads full of the trash and recontextualize in a gallery! Just bring it in a and pile it, or recreate the natural setting. Whether or not to frame the exhibition with socially respnsible literature about workers rights and the social structure of garbage collectors would be up to the curator(s).
I'll bet they would do it in New York...
LC Pants
Hi group,
Wondering if anybody made it out to the Stockyard Institute organized "Urbs in Horto" this past Sunday. The damn card got buried in my in boxes and I totally blew it.
Apparently it was "a day long community collaboration to address the function of Columbus Park. Community members are working with artists in both a local and global exchange of ideas and documents. Artists and community members have established today as a natural laboratory site for continued dialogue, using the parks 144 acres to discuss the park history, its relationship to the neighborhood, and how it may better serve the public. This project organized by Michael Piazza and Jim Duignan, Stockyard Institute is intended as a forum and working space for urban experimentation, the public construction of culture, renewed access, and critical, ongoing inquiry."
I like the park-as-laboratory idea. Did they do this with permission?
Also, Mark Manders at the Ren was surprisingly captivating for me. Though I can't, for the life of me, locate my analytic tool box at the moment. Even if I could all I have in there is a claw-hammer and a needle and thread (white, polyester).
later, mike woof
I made it to "Urbs in Horto" but got there less than an hour before the primary parts of it started winding down. Clearly this was not enough time to absorb every detail of an extremely detailed set of events. I also have no idea what I missed from earlier in the day. Parts of the event were unsatisfying (such as some sculptural projects which felt very half-assed) but there was enough to take in that you had to like something. There was one extremely enjoyable video (by an artist whose name I wish I knew) where a portrait of Sadam Hussein is painted and then attached to a tree on UIC's campus. The artist then flees and surveys the student reaction from afar. You can probably imagine how long it took before the portrait was defaced and physically removed with such an absurd sense of purpose and accomplishment on the part of the students.
Later in the evening (after it got dark) Nance Klehm organized an outdoor slide show of a diverse group of participants with the help of collaborative duo Locus who provide the portable battery power that runs the projector (the slide show can only last as long as the battery holds out - about 45 minutes) . This is a really wonderful project and it was great sitting on blankets eating popcorn watching slides in the park with a nice crowd of people. This is an ongoing project that will happen monthly. It is a good experience and is worth checking out. To find out where it is happening next or to find out how to participate contact Nance Klehm at: nettlesting at yahoo.com
Perhaps the most overwhelmingly great part of the day was the weather and the really extraordinary park which I had never been to. But again, I should have gotten there earlier.
One other observation - Maybe (hopefully) things were different earlier in the day but I got the feeling that this event was extremely under-attended. This is a real problem for almost any event that breaks form by not being an evening booze fest, or that requires a little extra time and effort to get to (Columbus Park is on the far west side). This is a real problem in Chicago. When people do something in a different part of town - perhaps a place you've never been to - or during a time of day that is not conducive to partying, how about making a little more of an effort to explore? Events like this that break form are unusual and sometimes even courageous and they deserve to be supported more widely. Okay, end of sermon.
Marc
P.S. Not sure if there was permission but given the generators running videos, live improvised music, and the dispersal of many projects throughout the park space, I'm kind of guessing that Michael Piazza and Jim Duignan got some kind of clearance. Some of these projects could have definitely happened guerilla style however but probably not in such large quantity.
Se or Lobo wrote: Hi group,
Wondering if anybody made it out to the Stockyard Institute organized "Urbs in Horto" this past Sunday. The damn card got buried in my in boxes and I totally blew it.
Apparently it was "a day long community collaboration to address the function of Columbus Park. Community members are working with artists in both a local and global exchange of ideas and documents. Artists and community members have established today as a natural laboratory site for continued dialogue, using the parks 144 acres to discuss the park history, its relationship to the neighborhood, and how it may better serve the public. This project organized by Michael Piazza and Jim Duignan, Stockyard Institute is intended as a forum and working space for urban experimentation, the public construction of culture, renewed access, and critical, ongoing inquiry."
I like the park-as-laboratory idea. Did they do this with permission?
Also, Mark Manders at the Ren was surprisingly captivating for me. Though I can't, for the life of me, locate my analytic tool box at the moment. Even if I could all I have in there is a claw-hammer and a needle and thread (white, polyester).
later, mike woof
Again, I beseech this lonesome group for guidance.
It looks like the gallery space I had for the show next spring may have pooped out. Christopher doesn't feel comfortable he can get the ceiling fixed and the heat put in by then.
So now I have roughly 14 artists and estimate I need, optimally, 900 sq. ft. The show is for March 2004. I would be willing to pay modest rent and/or a small percentage of the work sold. The show only needs to be open by appointment, weekend afternoons and evenings, and a few extra event nights. We would handle all the curating and marketing responsibilities, we just need the walls (and a phone connection).
I know it's getting late, and most space is booked, but does anyone have any ideas of who I could talk to who could take on a show like this?
For complete information about the show, including work by some of the participating artists, [http://www.diamondlifecafe.com/Other.html.] The show is called The One Line Collective. I can provide pictures of some of the work that will appear in the show as well.
Take care, Thank you everyone, Kathryn
www.diamondlifecafe.com
Hi, Did anyone see the new issue of Harpers magazine? In the readings section, there is a lengthy excerpt from the "Prisoners Inventions" book recently released by Whitewalls + Temporary Services. This is possibly my favorite section in my favorite magazine, so I was very excited to see some locally-produced culture gracing the pages.
Very cool. {How did this happen? Did Harpers discover the book on their own?}
-- Gabe
Paul Chan also featureted his fonts a few years back in Harpers. Don't be Surprised by work thats picked up from Chicago. Not to mention a New York Times Front page from Paul Chan. I'ld like to add they came through this space. They also think I'm an upstanding guy.
Dogmatic rocks, MT
Costes' performance at Buddy tonight was jaw dropping. Piss, blood, shit, vomit, vomit mixed with shit, piss mixed with beer, sweat, catsup, and raw chicken all over the place. It was absolutely disgusting and so yet incredibly physical and entertaining. My face is sore from laughing so hard. It went on for almost an hour at full force and never lost energy. Seemingly everyone in attendance stayed throughout - mesmerized and wildly entertained (if a tad nauseous). Total disbelief. Performers throwing themselves into walls and groveling naked and defiled in throes of ecstasy. And included in the middle of it all, Costes - naked and covered in sweat, shit, blood, and whatever else - stops worshiping the sex doll Virgin Mary to answer his loudly ringing cell phone.
Tonight raised the bar so high. A list of the transgressions that didn't happen would be pretty short. And somehow, woven into it all, was amazing physical comedy, religion, politics, and perhaps even great theater and experimental music. I can't remember the last time I saw performers show so much courage and give so much of themselves. Hopefully it won't be another 13 years before Costes and co. return to the U.S. For those of us who missed out on Viennese Aktionism in person (probably all), here was your chance to get a sense of what it might have been like. Truly extraordinary and unlike anything likely to be seen on these shores again in a very long time.
And John Duncan was at 6Odum the same night, and the German death metal band Kreater was at the Vic. The stars are obviously in some kind of frightening alignment.
Just thought you needed to know, Viva la France! Marc
deathtrip at yahoo.com writes: "Did anyone see the new issue of Harpers magazine? .... Very cool. {How did this happen? Did Harpers discover the book on their own?}"
Yes and no. harpers were sent a copy. easy as that. But then the person who had the idea to cover it wrote asking for a copy. They were told that a copy had already been sent, they seemed surprised, rummaged around for a week or so and finally found their copy. Then they mulled around about what sections to print.
easy as that.
anthony
On Sun, 19 Oct 2003, Marc Fischer wrote:
and Greg Kot didn't review this? What a shame.
-/jno
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On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 11:39 PM, jno wrote:
Some people are so easily impressed ...
On Tuesday, October 21, 2003, at 11:39 PM, jno wrote:
On Wed, 22 Oct 2003, Dave Stull wrote:
jno answers:
:) /jno
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The script which sorts things out does not look at envelops, only at the 'To:' header. "Group" is checked for first. It was found in both cases. Thus we ended up with two copies going to 'group'. I'll resend one to 'notices'. /jno
So, what are you doing this weekend?
I may try to scare or amuse the yups in Wicker on Thursday, Maybe a party on Friday. Environmental Encroachment's Day of the Dead on Saturday.
Please don't tell me you are going to go out as something clever and topical. Not only is that Cubs fan old news, but a sports hat and a glove are a poor excuse for a costume.
But please go out. This seems to be the only holiday that matters. Celebrate your personal death, or ours as a culture.
Maybe it is because we don't have enough masquerade balls that people think it is OK to be a princess/cowboy/rock-star/clever-conceptual-thing. This is wrong. We should have more costume parties to vent this energy.
This weekend, remember that you, and all you care about, and even the rest of us strangers are all going to die. Dress appropriately.
bulka
My girlfriend and I are going out as outdated software (I think I'll be Broderbund's Lode Runner with a "Cracked by so-and-so" logo). Probably not a good costume idea, but simple in execution. Besides, she's taking me to two parties filled with webdesigners, audio engineers and IT-workers.
Any of you Apple IIe/Commodore 64 owners remember any of the software pirates' names from the "Cracked by..." screens?
Erik Brown
bulka wrote:
"Any of you Apple IIe/Commodore 64 owners remember any of the software pirates' names from the "Cracked by..." screens?"
I can remember two things, my Choplifter game being cracked by "The North Pole" and another where I can not remember the name, but remember the name being surrounded by two hands giving the user the bird, very crude graphics, but effective.
ahhh...main frames
David
Last week I heard a lecture by Corey Arcangel from Beige (sort of a loose artist collective) and he has been collecting those "Cracked by" designs off old software. I can't remember what form he is ultimately presenting them in but some of them were pretty nice.
Marc
enteract Migrated User wrote:
Halloween is definitely one of the few times of the year when lots of folks seem to discover deep wells of creativity that they never knew they had (and may not find again until the following Halloween). Historians of punk rock will note that the Dead Kennedys have a song about this phenomena. Anyway a couple people submitted these nice costume ideas to another listserv I'm on:
and
I will never forget being in art school (I think it was in 1991) when a group of students came to a costume ball dressed up wearing big attaching gray foam blocks covered in spray painted graffiti and with barbed wire stretched across the top. One of the people on the end had a watch tower mask with a light in it. Yep, they came as the Berlin wall. Pretty damn sharp. But of course as Dave Stull will point out, I must be easily impressed.
Marc
Actually you aren't easily impressed. You also are not easily entertained. You have a large soul though, one that views Allie Mcbeal, maybe. I also see great things happing to you. Perhaps a merging with jedi, no Jettta. Do you Know anyone with a Volkswagon. This could be big.
Apropos costumes: Mikos, in an off-line email...
ROFL!!
Well folks;
After getting Marc's verbose November Mess Hall thing (it is not archived) (but I think everyone got it), I am also going to kill the NOTICES feature and revert to the Wiki -- which people have started to use anyway.
The NOTICES aint working right, and I am out of patience trying to get this done right. I reposted the Mess Hall notice to the Wiki as a start.
For your information, Wiki is at [http://chicagoart.org/wiki]
If, after posting something at the Wiki, you want to list a link use a URL similar to this:
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- /jno
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